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Originally posted by Mike90250 View PostClick on it with a modern browser, it's a active link, i was just there:
excerpt: A cautionary tale from one of our correspondents.
"A co-worker of mine put a heat exchanger in his furnace firebox. Without proper controls he quickly made high pressure steam and soon solder joints were failing and the system came apart in what sounded like several small explosions. His solution? Weld the damn thing together the next time. It held together, but it back-fed steam all the way to his artesian well and he had a nice geyser out back. True story." Scott
However, that does not change in any way the requirements for proper attention to safety. Simply because a design can withstand higher pressures/temperatures due to material properties, section thicknesses or "bigger" welds", does not mean that safety, particularly safety relieving devices (safety valves, rupture disks, etc.) can be avoided or ignored.
In the case cited, the well acted as the relieving device and while it may cause a chuckle, that was more fortunate than humorous and a good example of God protecting fools. It is a smoking gun pointing to the ignorance of a design that lacks relieving devices and who knows what else. More example of DIY ignorance causing harm.
Somewhat early in my engineering career, I saw the results of boiler failure and the steam explosion that followed. Fortunately (for me), it wasn't my design or equipment that failed, and more importantly no injuries, but it sure put the fear of the almighty in me next time I sat down for a design effort. Another true story. J.P.M.Leave a comment:
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Click on it with a modern browser, it's a active link, i was just there:
excerpt: A cautionary tale from one of our correspondents.
"A co-worker of mine put a heat exchanger in his furnace firebox. Without proper controls he quickly made high pressure steam and soon solder joints were failing and the system came apart in what sounded like several small explosions. His solution? Weld the damn thing together the next time. It held together, but it back-fed steam all the way to his artesian well and he had a nice geyser out back. True story." Scott
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A copper coil in a wood stove is a time bomb, copper will work harden in the heat, and will fracture easily. Stainless Steel is the preferred material for a heat loop in a stove or heater.
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When I was a kid we made and placed a copper coil inside the fire box of our wood stove, it pumped water through the coil and into pex tubing in our concrete floor. Even in the teens weather we could burn for four hours in the evening and sleep warm all night. home was earthen berm, super insulated.Leave a comment:
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The original link that mountain shared does not work for me. Is it still available?Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by organic farmer View PostMy system has been in operation for a few years. The pressure reliefs lift a few times every year. No problem so far.
If it is a low pressure system and you can use a vent pipe it would be great.Leave a comment:
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I'm thinking of venting the top of the hw heater that way it would be a little safer I think.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by inetdog View PostMake sure that the relief valves are in a position where steam and hot water coming out will not cause risk to people or damage to the surroundings.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by inetdog View PostMake sure that the relief valves are in a position where steam and hot water coming out will not cause risk to people or damage to the surroundings.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by organic farmer View PostNo, not really. I have pressure-relief valves in the loops.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by organic farmer View PostToss in a few check-valves to ensure the flow is always in the direction that you intend it to be.
When you have multiple loops with Y-connections, there is a possibility of water flowing in the opposite direction, without any check-valves.
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Originally posted by Grahamsurette View PostAlright I think I've figured it out.... Normal hot water tank, thermo siphon supply into the top of the tank with the return from my floor Y'ed Into it. Return going back to the stove exiting from the drain at the bottom of the hw heater with the suppy to the floor T'ed off somewhere in this area along with the circ pump. If it was designed correct I think it would work well and the suction from the circ would encourage the flow of natural convection. Thoughts?
When you have multiple loops with Y-connections, there is a possibility of water flowing in the opposite direction, without any check-valves.
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