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  • willingtolearn
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2018
    • 10

    Which micro-inverters

    I am planing a 3kW PV system on a garage roof. Due to the structure of the building I need to place them at different angles and form Oct to February there are some partial shading issues. For this reason I would like to use either micro-inverters or optimizers. This is for an installation in Europe.

    I like the idea of micro-inverters. This way I could use 4x600W and 2x300W for the the 10panels I would like to use. I would like to integrate the monitoring feature for micro-inverters so that additional cost needs to be considered too.

    Now the question is which brand to use.

    - ABB and APS are nice but too expensive
    - enphase
    - Northern Electric NEP
    - WVC Kaideng WVC


    What speaks against choosing the Kaideng WVC micro-inverters. Sure, the platform to monitor is not very well designed but is there another reason not to chose this low cost Chinese brand micro-inverter.

    I've also been looking at planning the system with optimizers with SE, SMA inverters.

    Purely from a cost persepective that meets the functionality I like WVC micro inverters.

    What's the case AGAINST going with these?


    thank you for your help.
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    Historically, micro-inverters have had high failure rates with roof top mounting and the thermal excursions (hot/cold/hot/cold/....).

    Optimizers that locate more of the power electronics at ground level, in the shade, seem to fare better.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • willingtolearn
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2018
      • 10

      #3
      I see your point about the changes in temperature that a micro inverter is exposed compared to a string inverter that is inside the house.

      A micro-inverter can be placed like an optimizer and is therefore equally protected or exposed.

      ​​​​​​it would be interesting to see the failure rate of MI vs. String inverters.

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        One pioneer microinverter company is having a lot of early models failing. Optimizers are much lower power and fewer parts count and have lower failure rates, and their string inverter is at ground level and easier too work on.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • solarix
          Super Moderator
          • Apr 2015
          • 1415

          #5
          Solar PV panels are super reliable and will last for decades. Do you really want to compromise that by putting electronics under them that will fail one by one sooner or later (probably sooner) requiring you or some poor soul to have to replace them one by one. Replace a string inverter once or replace micro-inverters one by one as they fail - your choice....
          BSEE, R11, NABCEP, Chevy BoltEV, >3000kW installed

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          • willingtolearn
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2018
            • 10

            #6
            Originally posted by solarix
            Solar PV panels are super reliable and will last for decades. Do you really want to compromise that by putting electronics under them that will fail one by one sooner or later (probably sooner) requiring you or some poor soul to have to replace them one by one. Replace a string inverter once or replace micro-inverters one by one as they fail - your choice....
            Thank you, I see your point and taking this into account it makes a huge difference where it is installed. Having this information now, I would certainly not want to have that type of setup on the roof of our house which is difficult to access. On the flat roof of the garage it would be an option IF the there were a cost advantage.

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            • Mike90250
              Moderator
              • May 2009
              • 16020

              #7
              The only advantage I see to microinverters, is in a shaded area, where sunlight moves from one panel to another, and even then, I suspect the lighting is bad enough to not bother with solar at that location
              Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
              || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

              solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
              gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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              • willingtolearn
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2018
                • 10

                #8
                I have a complex garage roof structure and therefore need micro inverters or optimizers to help the yield from nov to March. Optimizers are another option so I will re-evaluate those (tigo /sma , solaredge) for another price comparison.

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                • Tdjj93
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 2

                  #9
                  Long Enphase! Their new IQ series are extremely something something something

                  Tdjj93 is banned till he tones this down a notch.
                  Last edited by Mike90250; 03-25-2018, 03:38 PM.

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