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  • Naptown
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2011
    • 6880

    #16
    Originally posted by Mike90250
    each of my 42 batteries (1.2V NiFe) consumes about 1 quart each month. The Full and Add marks are about 2 quarts (1/2 gallon) apart. NiFe batteries electrolyze a lot, much more than lead acid batteries, and here (northern california) distilled water at the grocery store, is about $1 gallon.
    You need to build yourself a distillation plant. Solar would be the way to go to produce enough during the summer to carry you through the year.
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    • inetdog
      Super Moderator
      • May 2012
      • 9909

      #17
      Originally posted by solarIdiot
      This has me stumped. A joke?
      Yes.
      My convention, which I am trying to get adopted by others for those situations where even a smiley is ambiguous, is that this (Arial = default) is my serious font as well as my obviously joking, punning, etc. font, while this font (Comic Sans MS) indicates flat out sarcasm that I do not want misunderstood to be serious.

      Since the water loss is almost entirely electrolysis rather than evaporation, there is a small crumb of seriousness to it. But I do not recommend keeping the hydrogen around, and the catalytic vent caps that recombine hydrogen and oxygen are too expensive if used up at a high rate and also would develop too much heat and probably fail when the cells are gassing at a high rate. The NiFes gas a lot through much of their charge cycle, not just primarily during EQ like the FLAs.
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      • solarIdiot
        Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 53

        #18
        Originally posted by inetdog
        Yes.
        My convention, which I am trying to get adopted by others for those situations where even a smiley is ambiguous, is that this (Arial = default) is my serious font as well as my obviously joking, punning, etc. font, while this font (Comic Sans MS) indicates flat out sarcasm that I do not want misunderstood to be serious.

        Since the water loss is almost entirely electrolysis rather than evaporation, there is a small crumb of seriousness to it. But I do not recommend keeping the hydrogen around, and the catalytic vent caps that recombine hydrogen and oxygen are too expensive if used up at a high rate and also would develop too much heat and probably fail when the cells are gassing at a high rate. The NiFes gas a lot through much of their charge cycle, not just primarily during EQ like the FLAs.
        Very good I thought that, but well I won't lie I tried finding more on the burning. Haha now this is very funny. Also thank you for that bit at the end, very good to keep that in mind about the caps.

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        • Naptown
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2011
          • 6880

          #19
          Originally posted by inetdog
          Yes.
          My convention, which I am trying to get adopted by others for those situations where even a smiley is ambiguous, is that this (Arial = default) is my serious font as well as my obviously joking, punning, etc. font, while this font (Comic Sans MS) indicates flat out sarcasm that I do not want misunderstood to be serious.

          Since the water loss is almost entirely electrolysis rather than evaporation, there is a small crumb of seriousness to it. But I do not recommend keeping the hydrogen around, and the catalytic vent caps that recombine hydrogen and oxygen are too expensive if used up at a high rate and also would develop too much heat and probably fail when the cells are gassing at a high rate. The NiFes gas a lot through much of their charge cycle, not just primarily during EQ like the FLAs.
          I admit to have adopted the sarcastic font also.
          NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

          [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

          [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

          [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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          • solarside
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2013
            • 19

            #20
            Originally posted by Waranle
            Agree to that, inexpensive or cheap batteries last maximum for 3 years.
            Depends on how you treat them. I have a lot of them that lasted 5 years or more, some are into the 8 year range, some failed first year.

            Price doesn't always dictate quality. I have seen people pay big bucks for supposedly 10 year deep cycle batteries only to have them fail. Then they try to replace them in their big bank and the whole thing gets out of whack.

            Even these companies that have good warranties have problems. It's just the nature of batteries. Chemical reactions with impurities and material manufacturing controls all come into play. Plus we are now limited to getting a lot of batteries or the materials from other countries at cut throat prices and so quality goes down.

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            • russ
              Solar Fanatic
              • Jul 2009
              • 10360

              #21
              Originally posted by solarside
              Depends on how you treat them. I have a lot of them that lasted 5 years or more, some are into the 8 year range, some failed first year.

              Price doesn't always dictate quality. I have seen people pay big bucks for supposedly 10 year deep cycle batteries only to have them fail. Then they try to replace them in their big bank and the whole thing gets out of whack.

              Even these companies that have good warranties have problems. It's just the nature of batteries. Chemical reactions with impurities and material manufacturing controls all come into play. Plus we are now limited to getting a lot of batteries or the materials from other countries at cut throat prices and so quality goes down.
              You are on a tear today - three posts of blather and nothing concrete.
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              • solarIdiot
                Member
                • Apr 2013
                • 53

                #22
                Originally posted by russ
                You are on a tear today - three posts of blather and nothing concrete.
                Haha Thanks Russ, no offense solarside but that just confused me.

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