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    Dear all I am residing in sunny area. I want to use solar system for my house . I want to run a Refrigeration, 03 fans 03 energy savers of 20 watts each 01 LCD TV,
    my questions are
    How many solar panels of what watts I need?
    How many batteries do I need and what power? that is required day time and night time also I need 12 hours back up.
    which type or model invert er & Charge control I should buy ?
    what is better tie grid, off grid ?
    Which circuit is better 24 or 12 volts
    Thanks in advance for cooperation

  • #2
    First, you need to calculate your loads -

    Then look up your sun hours on PV watts http://www.nrel.gov/rredc/pvwatts/ (has global listings too)
    (for calculating, use a 1Kw array, and then we can divide that down)

    Then when you have your loads calculated in WATT HOURS, and how many hours of sun you have in the short winter days.

    But until we know what watt hours you use, it would just be wild guesses.

    First, read this
    http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design


    then:
    Start by calculating Watt Hours for everything. a 80 watt laptop for 4 hours is 320 watt hours.
    A 7 watt night light for 24 hours is 168 watt hours. Half as much power as a laptop, but nowhere near as fun. A 1200w microwave for 3 minutes is 60 watt hours. Hey - you CAN haz popcorn.

    Add the watt hours for everything you have, and then we can advise you what is reasonable.

    If this is just for weekends, we're likely to advise just one panel, and a small generator to keep the battery charged while you are there. As you increase your time living in the place, the cost of the expensive panels pays back sooner.

    Panels work the same way - 180W for 5 sunny hours gives 900watt hours on paper, but after you calculate all the system losses, you only have 450 watt hours. A full half of what the panel nameplate implys.
    spreadsheet based voltage drop calculator:
    http://www.solar-guppy.com/download/...calculator.zip
    http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...oss-calculator

    http://www.mike-burgess.org/PVinfo_2.html

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
    battery lugs http://tinyurl.com/LMR-BigLug
    Setting up batteries http://tinyurl.com/LMR-NiFe

    gear :
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||

    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||

    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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    • #3
      How many Batteries and Panels I need

      Thanks for your cooperation in this regards. In my area sun in winter is almost 8 hours clear and in summer about 11 hours. I need load from solar initially,
      03 energy saver bulb of 20 watt each up to 12 hours
      02 ceiling fans for 12 hours
      01 pedestal fan for 12 hours
      01 refrigerator medium for 24 hours
      This is all what I want let me help to choose the correct number of panels and batteries and types of batteries. later on I can increase the system if its good.
      Thanks in advance and again thanks for reply waiting for your reply

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ayyaz View Post
        Thanks for your cooperation in this regards. In my area sun in winter is almost 8 hours clear and in summer about 11 hours. I need load from solar initially,
        03 energy saver bulb of 20 watt each up to 12 hours
        02 ceiling fans for 12 hours
        01 pedestal fan for 12 hours
        01 refrigerator medium for 24 hours
        This is all what I want let me help to choose the correct number of panels and batteries and types of batteries. later on I can increase the system if its good.
        Thanks in advance and again thanks for reply waiting for your reply
        Again missing information
        we got the lights but the other things we need are the draw on the fans in watt hours and the refrigerator for a normal day of running.
        Simply stating a medium refrigerator is not enough information and you will either spend too much on a system to power it or you will be left in the dark with no power.
        Rich
        WWW.solarsaves.net

        NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

        http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design

        http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

        www.gaisma.com

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ayyaz View Post
          Thanks for your cooperation in this regards. In my area sun in winter is almost 8 hours clear and in summer about 11 hours.
          No you do not. No place on earth receives 8 Sun Hours in winter. more like 2 or 3.
          MSEE, PE

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ayyaz View Post
            Thanks for your cooperation in this regards. In my area sun in winter is almost 8 hours clear and in summer about 11 hours. I need load from solar initially,
            03 energy saver bulb of 20 watt each up to 12 hours
            02 ceiling fans for 12 hours
            01 pedestal fan for 12 hours
            01 refrigerator medium for 24 hours
            This is all what I want let me help to choose the correct number of panels and batteries and types of batteries. later on I can increase the system if its good.
            Thanks in advance and again thanks for reply waiting for your reply
            Daylight hours and solar insolation are 2 different things. As SK stated, no place on earth has those kind of numbers for solar insolation.

            As for usage we sill onlt have part of the equation. How many watts (amps and voltage) does the ceiling fans, pedistal fan, and frig use?

            You might want to get a "kill-a-watt" meter to measure each item over the course of a week or 2 to get an daily average.

            WWW

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            • #7
              This misconception comes from the 'salesman's' term of sun hours which is meaningless but refers to insolation in kW per day - kind of dumbed down to where it creates confusion

              Much better to use insolation in kWh/day - which any science or engineering discussion would use.
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              • #8
                Full Information....

                Originally posted by ayyaz View Post
                Dear all I am residing in sunny area. I want to use solar system for my house . I want to run a Refrigeration, 03 fans 03 energy savers of 20 watts each 01 LCD TV,
                my questions are
                How many solar panels of what watts I need?
                How many batteries do I need and what power? that is required day time and night time also I need 12 hours back up.
                which type or model invert er & Charge control I should buy ?
                what is better tie grid, off grid ?
                Which circuit is better 24 or 12 volts
                Thanks in advance for cooperation
                I see you want to replace grid to off-grid independence...
                1 Before please tell where you stay
                2 Watt of each appliance
                3 Energy backup of how many days you need..

                Ill let you know exact configuration...

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                • #9
                  I see you want to replace grid to off-grid independence... ...
                  You do understand this will co$t you a lot of money. Grid power at 10 cents per KW hour, and self generated and stored in batteries that have to be replaced, costs about 10x as much. Much more cost effective to use Grid-Inter-Tie (Grid-Tie) and have a small generator for power outages.
                  spreadsheet based voltage drop calculator:
                  http://www.solar-guppy.com/download/...calculator.zip
                  http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...oss-calculator

                  http://www.mike-burgess.org/PVinfo_2.html

                  solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                  gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
                  battery lugs http://tinyurl.com/LMR-BigLug
                  Setting up batteries http://tinyurl.com/LMR-NiFe

                  gear :
                  Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||

                  || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||

                  || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mike90250 View Post
                    That thread is missing information,

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mian Jee View Post
                      That thread is missing information,
                      Yes, some sort of glitch, and it's being looked into.
                      spreadsheet based voltage drop calculator:
                      http://www.solar-guppy.com/download/...calculator.zip
                      http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...oss-calculator

                      http://www.mike-burgess.org/PVinfo_2.html

                      solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                      gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
                      battery lugs http://tinyurl.com/LMR-BigLug
                      Setting up batteries http://tinyurl.com/LMR-NiFe

                      gear :
                      Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||

                      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||

                      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mike90250 View Post
                        Yes, some sort of glitch, and it's being looked into.
                        It is fixed and updated
                        MSEE, PE

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sunking View Post
                          No you do not. No place on earth receives 8 Sun Hours in winter. more like 2 or 3.
                          phoenix az does

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mark dix View Post
                            phoenix az does
                            No 4.88 December, 5.09 January
                            Rich
                            WWW.solarsaves.net

                            NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

                            http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design

                            http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

                            www.gaisma.com

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Naptown View Post
                              Again missing information
                              we got the lights but the other things we need are the draw on the fans in watt hours and the refrigerator for a normal day of running.
                              Simply stating a medium refrigerator is not enough information and you will either spend too much on a system to power it or you will be left in the dark with no power.
                              +1

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