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  • russ
    Solar Fanatic
    • Jul 2009
    • 10360

    #16
    Wind has been around forever - not actually new at all - only the huckster companies trying to sell rooftop units are new.

    Before considering wind you need to be sure of the wind resource available to you at YOUR location.

    Where I am:
    1) 1 km away down on the beach has better wind
    2) 1 km farther up at the hill top there is better wind
    3) there is a commercial wind farm maybe 10 km away

    Where I am a wind turbine would be useless.

    All of the turbines worth having are expensive with tall towers - to get up into a decent wind.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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    • mack22
      Junior Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 4

      #17
      Matching Batties and solar panels

      I have an idea of a solar generator, could be stored on a small trailer or set up anywhere really. How do you match the panels to the batteries? I'm assuming golf cart batteries would be the best and there at Costco for about $75 a piece. Going to Alibaba solar panels really aren't that over priced. The panels are all kinds of different voltages so how do you match them up? Is there a formula?

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #18
        Originally posted by mack22
        How do you match the panels to the batteries?
        A solar generator uses a stirling engine. Moving parts. A solar PV power instalation is silent and no moving parts.

        1) match the batteries to the load. Normal load should only consume 20-30% of the battery capacity daily.

        2) charge source (PV) should be about 10-15% of the battery total capacity.

        3) an aux stand-by generator is needed, in case of a 4 day storm, that can damage your batteries by over-discharge.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • mack22
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2010
          • 4

          #19
          20 to 30%? Why? I mean if you look at a golf cart and it's use, wouldn't that be way more that 20-30%. I'm not trying to be argumentative but if this is true in what you say I can see why this hasn't been done in the past.
          If this is the case then a different application needs to be put in place. Any ideas? And if it is all about battery load then matching the different watt solar panel and batteries is irrelevant? You can use whatever and it works fine?
          Let me be a little more detailed in what I

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          • Sunking
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2010
            • 23301

            #20
            [QUOTE=mack22;12759]20 to 30%? Why? I mean if you look at a golf cart and it's use, wouldn't that be way more that 20-30%. I'm not trying to be argumentative but if this is true in what you say I can see why this hasn't been done in the past.
            If this is the case then a different application needs to be put in place. Any ideas? And if it is all about battery load then matching the different watt solar panel and batteries is irrelevant? You can use whatever and it works fine?
            Let me be a little more detailed in what I
            MSEE, PE

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            • mack22
              Junior Member
              • Sep 2010
              • 4

              #21
              Thanks Dereck, great info. I can assume you're applying a 'deep cell battery' vs. a High CCR (Cold Cranking Amps) and the same principal applies? http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm

              This paragraph is confusing to me: The battery should have sufficient amp hour capacity to supply needed power during the longest expected period

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              • Sunking
                Solar Fanatic
                • Feb 2010
                • 23301

                #22
                Originally posted by mack22
                Thanks Dereck, great info. I can assume you're applying a 'deep cell battery' vs. a High CCR (Cold Cranking Amps) and the same principal applies? http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm
                Yes a CCA rating tells you immediately it is NOT a deep cycle battery and should not be used in a deep cycle application.

                [QUOTE=mack22;12764] This paragraph is confusing to me: The battery should have sufficient amp hour capacity to supply needed power during the longest expected period
                MSEE, PE

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                • Mike90250
                  Moderator
                  • May 2009
                  • 16020

                  #23
                  Cool ! Mr. Sunking never holds back info, when presented with enough data to complete a task.
                  Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                  || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                  || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                  solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                  gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                  • mack22
                    Junior Member
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 4

                    #24
                    Awesome job, thanks. I

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                    • russ
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 10360

                      #25
                      Well put Sunking!
                      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                      • scheek
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 136

                        #26
                        I think I follow your thought.

                        Alliance makes a converter panel. You can wire the specific circuits you wish to use to it through your main circuit board. You can run those circuits with your battery bank with an inverter or solar panel (if you have enough) or generator. All you have to do is push a circuit button to switch from grid to battery backup, etc. (This is also a good thing if ice storms are frequent in winter)

                        Maybe this is close to doing something you are trying to achieve.

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