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  • #16
    Originally posted by DeltaFox 25 View Post
    As looking at the plexiglas it looks O K . I havn't measured the output for a long time , I'm changing the way I put the panels togeather and I'm making them biger , From 36 cell's to 72 cell's and I'm going with 5"x5" cell's from now on.
    Just curious as to why the 5x5 cells what benifits do you get from them and are they 3 bus or 2 bus

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BuzzBuds View Post
      On the moisture issue Mike I think you can use a liquid sealer to seal the cells in place and then sandwich the cells in plexy
      Feel free to do so.
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      • #18
        The 5x5 cell's I think is easy to work with and are not as brittle as the 6x6's . I have worked with the 3x6's and some 4x4's and I thought that these were very good also.

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        • #19
          glass by any other name???

          Lots of folks are renovating around here in the toronto suburb area of ontario.. and throwing out their patio doors, these are 3 large glass panels.. each panel could make up about about 120 or 180 watt or more panels.
          any thoughts on using these? or possibly shower doors??? with a Fur ply base?
          I called the local lumber yard and they suggested that fur ply is great these days and reasonable, compared to marine ply. ( they sell the fur ply for sheds here without complaints).

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          • #20
            debating what to use

            I am debating what to use also in my first build. I like the fact plexiglass, if it is uv resistant can be a bit easier to deal with.
            Low iron glass is available too.
            I do worry about if the glass is tempered and a tree limb hits it, will I detroy my entire panel vs plexiglass which will only leave a dent.

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            • #21
              Don't use plexi if you are going to encapsulate the cells. I was concerned about the plexi warping and used 1/4". It did not warp, but I didn't think about the expansion and contraction of the plexi in the sun. It basically ripped the cells apart. Next panel will be made with glass.

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              • #22
                ahhh, will have to think about that in my next build.
                The concern about it expanding too much in the sun sounds like a very valid concern.
                I know around here, tempered and low iron glass are almost the same price, for a custom cut piece, which is not cheap. Pleiglas on the other hand is much cheaper.

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                • #23
                  I wonder what the reasoning is behind every commercial panel company in the world using low Iron tempered glass is?
                  Increased snow and wind loading?
                  Lasts without scratching or yellowing for 25+ years?
                  Higher transmittance to light?
                  Lower thermal expansion rate?
                  Actually pretty difficult to break.
                  All of the above?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Naptown View Post
                    I wonder what the reasoning is behind every commercial panel company in the world using low Iron tempered glass is?
                    Increased snow and wind loading?
                    Lasts without scratching or yellowing for 25+ years?
                    Higher transmittance to light?
                    Lower thermal expansion rate?
                    Actually pretty difficult to break.
                    All of the above?
                    I would completely agree but I think the question was more how good is plexiglass if you don't have the $$$ to spend.

                    For example in my area, a piece of glass cut for a panel I recently made cost about the same if I choose tempered and low iron glass. I called around and everywhere within 50 miles had similar prices.

                    Plexiglass on the other hand around here is a ton cheaper, and readily find scrapes that can be used for good size panels.

                    Maybe that is more the question, if you are a diy starter, and want to give it a try without shelling out a lot of money, again might depend on where you live.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by carnini View Post
                      I would completely agree but I think the question was more how good is plexiglass if you don't have the $$$ to spend.
                      Not worth a damn. There is no problem with yellowing of plexiglass despite what some claim. It will never be out in the sun that long.

                      The main problem is the first sunny warm day the plexiglass is going to expand and shatter all your solar cells leaving you with a pile of garbage. So tempered glass is much less expensive.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Sunking View Post
                        Not worth a damn. There is no problem with yellowing of plexiglass despite what some claim. It will never be out in the sun that long.

                        The main problem is the first sunny warm day the plexiglass is going to expand and shatter all your solar cells leaving you with a pile of garbage. So tempered glass is much less expensive.

                        Glass is the way to go. The hard part is to figure out a way to sandwich it all together without having an aluminum "c" border around it. i have used plexiglass before becasue it was easy to drill and screw it together.

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                        • #27
                          http://www.sbmsolar.com/

                          "I wonder what the reasoning is behind every commercial panel company in the world using low Iron tempered glass is?"
                          not true
                          http://www.sbmsolar.com/ does NOT use glass

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Solar-dude View Post
                            "I wonder what the reasoning is behind every commercial panel company in the world using low Iron tempered glass is?"
                            not true
                            http://www.sbmsolar.com/ does NOT use glass
                            You can find an exception to anything - probably cheap low end panels
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                            • #29
                              nope.

                              actually they are not cheap low end panels, but if you are biased and never did any further research I can see how one might come to the faulty conclusion.

                              they have a unique market niche. a powerfull portable panel that weighs half as much as a glass one, etc.

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                              • #30
                                I was wrong - these are expensive cheap panels - their big claim is power to weight ratio - important only in regards to carrying panels around.

                                A unique market niche? Military maybe but in the civilian world no one will pay the premium.

                                Their advertising BS gets a bit deep for sure!
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