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  • AlleghanySTEP
    Junior Member
    • May 2012
    • 4

    #1

    Solar Project for School

    Our school is in a competition that utilizes solar panels to charge RC car batteries. We currently have two 15W panels of different brands, and a smaller 3.2W panel. All panels are wired parallel to increase the amps to the charger. The charger is an AC/DC input charger. My question is, do we need to install diodes in the system, if so where should they be installed and what size diodes should be used? Additionally does anyone else have suggestions to make the panels more efficient?

    Thanks

    Jeff
  • AlleghanySTEP
    Junior Member
    • May 2012
    • 4

    #2
    Forgot to mention the charger is 110V AC and 12V DC

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    • Mike90250
      Moderator
      • May 2009
      • 16020

      #3
      The PV panels need to be matched to Charger & the Battery you are charging.

      The panels should have a sticker on the back , listing the Volts, amps and other specs.
      The Charger should also have some specs, input voltage, output voltas & amps
      The battery specs are also needed, then we can give you some feedback.


      Is the car battery Ni-Cad, NiMh, Li-Ion ? What ? Voltage and amps too.


      MikeSharp208_c.jpg
      Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
      || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
      || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

      solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
      gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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      • AlleghanySTEP
        Junior Member
        • May 2012
        • 4

        #4
        Originally posted by Mike90250
        The PV panels need to be matched to Charger & the Battery you are charging.

        The panels should have a sticker on the back , listing the Volts, amps and other specs.
        The Charger should also have some specs, input voltage, output voltas & amps
        The battery specs are also needed, then we can give you some feedback.


        Is the car battery Ni-Cad, NiMh, Li-Ion ? What ? Voltage and amps too.


        Mike[ATTACH=CONFIG]2009[/ATTACH]
        The charger has multiple settings from 0.5 amps up to 5 amps. This is either with the 12V DC input or 110VAC input. The batteries are 7.2 V 3600mAh NiMh. One panel is a Sunforce 15W panel with the following specs from the website.

        Power Output (Watts) 15.0
        Mounting Hardware Required Yes
        Panel Color Black
        Frame Color Black
        Number of Cells per Panel 1.0
        UL Safety Listing No
        CSA Safety Listing No
        ETL Safety Listing No
        Warranty 5 Year Limited
        Color/Finish Family Black
        Application 12-volt battery charger
        Power Type DC
        Solar Panel Technology Thin film
        Length (Inches) 38.0
        Width (Inches) 13.5
        Thickness (Inches) 1.5
        Weight (lbs.) 10.8
        Adapters Included Yes

        The other 15W panel is a Chicago Electric panel from Harbor Freight. The specs listed for it is below.

        Description
        Amorphous crystal solar panel provides superior performance in bright sun and in partial shade. Use this solar panel to power an appliance, light, small motor, or battery, but you must use a voltage regulator (not included) between them to prevent overcharging the battery and consequent damage.

        15 watt solar panel gives you plenty of clean, quiet energy, no fuel required
        Ideal for additional power and energy savings
        Includes alligator clips, car lighter plug, bare wire end cable, and a 10 ft. standard lead with 2-way plug-end

        Overall dimensions: 35-7/16" L x 11-7/16" W x 1" thick
        Shipping Weight: 13.80 lb.
        Specifications
        Name 15 Watt, 12 Volt Solar Panel
        SKU 96418
        Brand Chicago Electric Power Systems
        Shipping Volume 1.007
        Max Output Watts 15

        The third panel is one that was with my VW. The info for this panel is below.

        Max Power: 3.2 watts
        Voltage at max power:18.8 Volts
        Current at max power: 170 MA

        If there is any other info needed please let me know what it is. The way this part of the competition works is the students have just under 3hrs to charge a fully dead battery. If you set the charger for too many amps and a cloud passes over the panels, the charger will kick off due to insufficient voltage and require to be reset.

        Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.

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        • Mike90250
          Moderator
          • May 2009
          • 16020

          #5
          your VW panel is the only one with useable specs. The 15w horrible fright panels are generally, junk. They may work a month or 3.

          your battery will need 3.6Ah for full charge.

          When clouds pass in front of the sun, ALL panels loose nearly all power. My 3,000 watt array, drops to 300watts. Your 30 watts of panel , would drop to 3 watts. If only a small cloud, a capacitor may help.

          PV panels are CURRENT sources, not voltage sources, and behave differently than what most people are used to.
          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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          • Wy_White_Wolf
            Solar Fanatic
            • Oct 2011
            • 1179

            #6
            Originally posted by Mike90250
            .....PV panels are CURRENT sources, not voltage sources, and behave differently than what most people are used to.
            AlleghanySTEP - Because of what Mike pointed out what you need to do is use the panels to charge a 12V battery (with a charge controller) and hook your RC charger up to that battery. Ineffiecent yes, but what needs to be done to change from current source to voltage source.

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            • Legacy
              Member
              • Mar 2012
              • 57

              #7
              the Sunforce panel has a maximum 1 amp output at 15volts
              that is where they get the 15 watt rating from,that was on their
              site

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