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Thread: 24 volt panels, 12 volt battery banks - what to do?

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    24 volt panels, 12 volt battery banks - what to do? I got 24 volt panels at a 'stainless steal' price - but my existing system is 12 volts. Can anyone direct me to info on a charger that regulates 24 volt input but charges a 12 volt battery system? I seem to remember seeing such an animal, but I dont' remember when or where... and google gives me every answer but the one to the question I ask.

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    Use an MPPT controller such as the Morningstar Tristar charge controller. You could even put several in series for even higher voltage which = smaller wires from panels to controller if it is any distance or higher amperage.

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    Default clarification please and thank you for the welcome.

    My aim is to not lose any wattage that I don't have to that should be going the batteries. My best guess solution so far has been step down converters to 13.8 and then pipe them into the charge controller like they were 12 volt panels. Is my guesswork faulty, is there a better way, and what is the best way to not lose any wattage from the panels input and yet not have to reinvest in a new 24 volt controller, inverter etc.
    I have one such controller that you mentioned, the tristar moningstar controller. can i expect conflicts with the existing controllers if I follow your suggestion? the panels are unisolar 144 watt flex panels. They say 30 volts top output but unless my meter is lying to me (it might be republican) I am getting 44 volts!!! No load of course.
    ref your statement re several in series, please to specify controllers or panels?

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    Panels in series
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    Morningstar has 2 tristar controller lines, both LOOK the same, but one is MPPT, and other is PWM. You will have to check the model number. The MPPT model will efficiently down-convert 130VDC, to 12V for battery charging.

    You don't want to use a simple DC-DC 13.8V convertor, as that will not recharge your battery well in the few hours of sunlight. Most of the good 3 stage controllers, charge at 14.5V or so, and float at 13.
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    Let's make it simple. Best efficiency you can obtain with:

    PWM is 67% or less, depends on how closely matched the panels are to the battery voltage.

    MPPT is 95% and higher.

    Nough Said
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