Based upon the judgment of a PE or based engineering - bit of difference.
Based upon the judgment of a PE or based engineering - bit of difference.
Engineering refers to the approved judgement of a licensed PE. Anything less should not be truly and legally considered engineering.Originally Posted by russ
Wrong! Sorry fellow but are you 22 maybe?
No sorry, i dont know about Turkey, but in the U.S. In the civil and electrical fields, engineering only counts if it's reviewed by a PE
Wrong again - I still am a US citizen plus have worked in many countries around the world.
For certain applications you are generally correct. It gets a little flaky as a PE is allowed to review a field where their knowledge is limited. It is on the honor system (plus threat of a lawsuit) that one stays to an area where they are qualified.
I have been involved with blogs where some idiot thought he could sign off on environmental documents having to do with pesticides because he was a cıvıl engineer PE. This topic comes up routinely.
In the US companies often encourage engineers in many disciplines to get the PE certification for bragging rights.
The rest of the world simply asks, 'What is that'?
Russ
I understand what you're saying, but in the instance were discussing, the authority of a PE is what rules. If I walk into a local code office and I say what I'm installing, they want to see the manufacturers recommended installation procedure. If im straying from that they want it approved by a PE. I could calculate the load requirements myself, but to them that's meaningless without review by a PE.
Your other mention of PEs certifying things unrelated to their fields doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about. Sure that's a clear issue with the American engineering system, but then again it has worked rather well for many years. The ethics system works well as long as it's enforced when something goes wrong.
More than ethics - it is the guarantee of a lawsuit following up a screwup that keeps people within their area of expertise.
In the 'local code office' the PE stamp is their cover. They have done their due diligence once they see the stamp.
Yea that's what I meant when I said "as long as it's enforced when something goes wrong"
The quick and dirty definition of a PE is: I am legally responsible for the design and assume all liability for the design.
DereckC MSEE, PE
That is why I was making a nasty comment about the civil engineer PE that assured all of us he could sign off on environmental documents regarding pesticides - even when he didn't claim expertise.
He could do it but better start saying 'hail marys'!
To me, as I noted previously, the government agency can feel they have their due diligence when seeing the PE stamp. Otherwise they have to go through all details with a very fine toothed comb - when they neither have time, staff or possibly expertise.
The PE stamp has a very definite and beneficial use. That can be more or less an end point for some engineering but is hardly the only engineering that counts.
Russ
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