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    Hi everyone, I am still learning but have been studying, hoping you can help me dial in some details for my off grid system. Could you guys please pick apart these system plans:

    Daily Load Required: 2.5Kw
    Panels: 6 x SolarWorld 315w Mono
    CC: Schneider XW-60-15 MPPT
    Inverter: Conext SW4048
    Batt Bank: 8 x Trojan L16RE-B: 48V @ 370AH
    Generators: Onan 4500 LPG-Fueled, Honda 2000EU
    Location: Eastern WA

    PV Watts gave me irradiance values of at least 4 on all months except Nov-Feb...lowest is 1.07 in December. I plan to use generator to help power those times.

    Okay so I am guessing that the inverter is too large...but let me add that one of my loads is a 230ft deep well pump 1/2hp 115V with 670W-full load/960W-max load and has a locked rotor amp rating of 50.5. My other desire for the SW4048 is the 48V configuration as well as the generator support. The idle power draw listed on the SW4048 manual is 27w which I added to my load. I would not be heart broken to go with another inverter...but would like to keep with the 48V system plans. Thanks for your help guys!

  • #2
    Hello lost,

    Your inverter choice is not unreasonable, at least for a 48V battery bank. The current will be in the 100A range during peak loads, and that is OK for the wiring but a bit much for the battery (>C/4). It should be OK for very short term use. Given both the load and the short sun hours in winter, it might make sense for you to use AGM batteries instead, although that would double the cost and shorten the bank life.

    The 40A maximum current to the battery bank from your current panel array choice would not be too much for the batteries.

    One way to minimize the need to run the generator in winter would be to throw in more panels, letting the CC keep the charging current from them from going too high the rest of the year.
    Also remember the strategy of running the generator in the morning for Bulk and letting what PV there is go to Absorb and Float where the power requirements would be lower and the generator inefficient.
    SunnyBoy 3000 US, 18 BP Solar 175B panels.

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    • #3
      If the daily load in fact only 2.5kwh. It don't make sense to put more panels, the battery bank will give OP 3.5 day before he need to recharge by the generator for 4 hours. The system is a bit over kill for 2.5KWH daily in MHO. But if budget allow it why not. The only concern is the shallow discharge on the battery bank, maybe he can do some heavy load now and then to exercise the battery bank in the summer months.

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      • #4
        Thanks inetdog and Paul.

        It is a bit overkill, but when funds allow I want to expand later, seems like buying the right components now is better. If you have any thoughts on optimizing this design without a big cost spike, I would like to hear.

        For the panel, I was considering Midnite's e-panel with the bypass breaker kit, but I am confused on how the switch is integrated along with generator support. Any suggestions on that?

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        • #5
          I believe Schneider makes one that is intended for use with that inverter and will probably integrate easier.
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          • #6
            so you have the Conext SW4048, I have the XW6048. I'm not sure what the differences are, the XW has internal transfer switches, 1 for AC1 and 1 for AC2 (Gen input).

            The midnight ePanel is a great piece of gear. The epanel has lots of space to install all sorts of breakers and generator bypass stuff.

            The inverter will not work the the eu2000, you will have to get a step-up transformer, it needs 240VAC gen input. You will also need a controller box for programming the inverter, I'd suggest the ComBox and interface it with your computer.
            Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
            || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
            || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

            solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
            gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mike90250 View Post
              so you have the Conext SW4048, I have the XW6048. I'm not sure what the differences are, the XW has internal transfer switches, 1 for AC1 and 1 for AC2 (Gen input).

              The midnight ePanel is a great piece of gear. The epanel has lots of space to install all sorts of breakers and generator bypass stuff.

              The inverter will not work the the eu2000, you will have to get a step-up transformer, it needs 240VAC gen input. You will also need a controller box for programming the inverter, I'd suggest the ComBox and interface it with your computer.
              Hi Mike, I haven't bought it yet, just trying to plan out my system so I don't buy gear that I don't need or won't work etc. I think it is the way I want to go...the SW4048, but I could find anything in the SW user manual that requires 240VAC input for the gen...can you please elaborate? Thanks for your help, I need to really dial this in...I don't want an off grid failure!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lost_in_normalcy View Post
                Hi Mike, I haven't bought it yet, just trying to plan out my system so I don't buy gear that I don't need or won't work etc. I think it is the way I want to go...the SW4048, but I could find anything in the SW user manual that requires 240VAC input for the gen...can you please elaborate? Thanks for your help, I need to really dial this in...I don't want an off grid failure!

                The XW series are are field configurable for either 120V or 240V Factory settings are 240V, which is standard NA Split Phase system. If you have NO 240V loads (well pumps, air compressors, electric stove or dryer or Welder) then you can convert it to 120VAC and be able to use a 120V genset. With mine, I have a step-up transformer, so I can use a 2Kw inverter genset to run all night at low RPM to charge batteries and run loads.
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mike90250 View Post
                  The XW series are are field configurable for either 120V or 240V Factory settings are 240V, which is standard NA Split Phase system. If you have NO 240V loads (well pumps, air compressors, electric stove or dryer or Welder) then you can convert it to 120VAC and be able to use a 120V genset. With mine, I have a step-up transformer, so I can use a 2Kw inverter genset to run all night at low RPM to charge batteries and run loads.
                  Hi Mike, yeah I don't have any 240V loads, so it would be cofigured to 120V. It there any issues with the EU series in general when the conext tries to qualify it...i.e. would I be better off getting a standard small generator instead of an inverter generator to run smaller loads?

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                  • #10
                    No issues with qualifying an inverter generator. Just make sure from your vender. that the model inverter you get,
                    Has Generator Support
                    Can be field converted to 120V
                    I'm basing my comments off the XW I have, the Conext models may vary a bit.
                    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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