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  • pamalot
    Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 38

    Saline battery

    I was listening into a conversation at the weekend where the guy was talking about some new saline battery solution that is set to revolutionize the solar industry as an energy storage device. Many times better than all present battery technology. I felt I didn't know enough about battery storage solutions to join in the conversation, but does anyone know what the hell he was talking about?? or had he been smoking something? or is there indeed some wonder solution just around the corner. Is this a fuel cell? He said it's also being used in a new supercar. Anyone point me in the right direction to read up on this technology?
  • Amy@altE
    Solar Fanatic
    • Nov 2014
    • 1023

    #2
    He was most likely talking about Aquion. You can search other posts here for debates about the pros and cons of it. Not so sure about it being used in a car...
    Solar Queen
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    • Sunking
      Solar Fanatic
      • Feb 2010
      • 23301

      #3
      Originally posted by Amy@altE
      He was most likely talking about Aquion. You can search other posts here for debates about the pros and cons of it. Not so sure about it being used in a car...
      In a Car yes is what they were promoted for.

      20 wh/Kg and max C-Rate of C/6 for a car is some really funny stuff. They must live in Colorado smoking Sour Diesel.

      MSEE, PE

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      • Living Large
        Solar Fanatic
        • Nov 2014
        • 910

        #4
        Originally posted by pamalot
        I was listening into a conversation at the weekend where the guy was talking about some new saline battery solution that is set to revolutionize the solar industry as an energy storage device. Many times better than all present battery technology. I felt I didn't know enough about battery storage solutions to join in the conversation, but does anyone know what the hell he was talking about?? or had he been smoking something? or is there indeed some wonder solution just around the corner. Is this a fuel cell? He said it's also being used in a new supercar. Anyone point me in the right direction to read up on this technology?
        The saline part sounds like Aquion, but if so I don't see how it could be marketed for anything that is defined as a "supercar". The energy density is low and it has higher internal resistance than other chemistries. It would be a good way to transform a Tesla into a vintage Volkwagen bus.

        There are threads here on Aquion.

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        • Sunking
          Solar Fanatic
          • Feb 2010
          • 23301

          #5
          Originally posted by Living Large
          The saline part sounds like Aquion, but if so I don't see how it could be marketed for anything that is defined as a "supercar". The energy density is low and it has higher internal resistance than other chemistries. It would be a good way to transform a Tesla into a vintage Volkwagen bus.

          There are threads here on Aquion.
          Well if you followed them from the start that is exactly the market they were looking for. Once the numbers came out that the EV sector said go fly a kite, so now to salvage the effort trying RE.
          MSEE, PE

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          • Living Large
            Solar Fanatic
            • Nov 2014
            • 910

            #6
            Originally posted by Sunking
            Well if you followed them from the start that is exactly the market they were looking for. Once the numbers came out that the EV sector said go fly a kite, so now to salvage the effort trying RE.
            Is that right? I guess that was in the spitball and pencil on napkins stage of development.

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            • Sundetective
              Solar Fanatic
              • Sep 2011
              • 205

              #7
              Originally posted by Sunking
              Well if you followed them from the start that is exactly the market they were looking for. Once the numbers came out that the EV sector said go fly a kite, so now to salvage the effort trying RE.

              Large vertical wind turbines from WindStax combine wind energy with solar and traditional energy sources to power your business or neighborhood.


              has thrown the magic wand to Aquion Energy now.

              I'm Looking for Sunking to also make dem 'his man'
              one of these days.

              Bill Blake

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              • SunEagle
                Super Moderator
                • Oct 2012
                • 15123

                #8
                Originally posted by Sundetective
                www.windstax.com

                has thrown the magic wand to Aquion Energy now.

                I'm Looking for Sunking to also make dem 'his man'
                one of these days.

                Bill Blake
                Although Off Topic, there is another company that makes modular solar/wind turbine systems called SolarMill. They have a few installed in the US but many more in the Caribbean.

                The thing is I have not been able to find a price on any of their systems which tells me that are not cheap.

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                • Willy T
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Jun 2014
                  • 405

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SunEagle
                  Although Off Topic, there is another company that makes modular solar/wind turbine systems called SolarMill. They have a few installed in the US but many more in the Caribbean.

                  The thing is I have not been able to find a price on any of their systems which tells me that are not cheap.
                  The answer is.

                  Our mission is to provide reliable and affordable green energy with as little fuss as possible. The current price of our WindStax 20 is US $14,900. The WindStax 40 is $29,900. Contact us for accessories, upgrades, delivery, and installation pricing.

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                  • SunEagle
                    Super Moderator
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 15123

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Willy T
                    The answer is.
                    I was talking about not finding prices for the "SolarMill" product but knowing what WindStax cost makes it easier to calculate ROI. Thanks

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                    • russ
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 10360

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Willy T
                      The answer is.
                      VWAT type? This is pure BS! Show a rating the official org beford posting this tripe!
                      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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                      • SunEagle
                        Super Moderator
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 15123

                        #12
                        Originally posted by russ
                        VWAT type? This is pure BS! Show a rating the official org beford posting this tripe!
                        There are two models. According to their FAQ list the Windstax 20 can produce 1100w base, 1800w rated and 3600w max for $14,900.

                        The 40 unit can produce 2100w base, 4000w rated and 7500w max for $29,900.

                        Pretty costly to me.

                        They also mention some kind of battery to store energy.
                        Last edited by SunEagle; 04-08-2015, 01:17 PM. Reason: added last sentence

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                        • Amy@altE
                          Solar Fanatic
                          • Nov 2014
                          • 1023

                          #13
                          Here's the article about WindStax and Aquion partnering up. Makes sense, they are both in Pittsburg. http://www.prunderground.com/windsta...stems/0052459/

                          But I agree wholeheartedly with Russ, without independent certification from someone like Small Wind Certification Council, I don't believe a word of what they say.
                          Solar Queen
                          altE Store

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                          • SunEagle
                            Super Moderator
                            • Oct 2012
                            • 15123

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Amy@altE
                            Here's the article about WindStax and Aquion partnering up. Makes sense, they are both in Pittsburg. http://www.prunderground.com/windsta...stems/0052459/

                            But I agree wholeheartedly with Russ, without independent certification from someone like Small Wind Certification Council, I don't believe a word of what they say.
                            If Aquion is looking for a market to sell their batteries it makes sense to couple up with a company that builds RE generators for remote locations.

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                            • Sundetective
                              Solar Fanatic
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 205

                              #15
                              Originally posted by SunEagle
                              If Aquion is looking for a market to sell their batteries it makes sense to couple up with a company that builds RE generators for remote locations.
                              It's Like being a Star Trek fan. Just waiting on The Next Generation

                              of 'Salt' batteries later this year (they claim).

                              Wonder how 'TopCat' in Hawaii is doing with his 9 bedroom
                              Aquion Energy
                              Battery experiment.

                              Is it true that you NEVER have to fool with or add to the electrolyte ?

                              Do they need an old Aquion Shill in the Islands ?

                              I wore Amy's place out getting my education.

                              Bill Blake

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