Seeking help from the solar and battery experts for AC Charging designs

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  • lumencache
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 3

    Seeking help from the solar and battery experts for AC Charging designs

    Hello. While solar charging of batteries is our ideal solution, I need some good AC charging and battery guidance. Presently, our system requires 12v and/or 24v output and about 3000-4000W.

    Are there any sample systems showing components and design for handling this kind of power levels charged and maintained from AC chargers?
  • Sunking
    Solar Fanatic
    • Feb 2010
    • 23301

    #2
    Only thing you are going to find at that power level are commercial charging systems used for Telecom battery plants.
    MSEE, PE

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    • lumencache
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2013
      • 3

      #3
      I was thinking a couple of iota dls units in parallel.

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        most household circuits will not take 3,000 watts. You would need a special 240V outlet.
        240V @ 3kw = 12.5a 4kw = 16.6a
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • lumencache
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2013
          • 3

          #5
          I figured multiple AC ckts. See parallel design here: http://www.iotaengineering.com/pplib...l_Charging.pdf

          Would like to have one large lead-acid battery pack so I need some advice there as well as the connecting hardware, breakers, fuses, etc.

          There would be multiple loads through a low-voltage cutoff device like the Samlex BG60 so I don't over draw the battery.

          Each of my PDMs (power distribution modules) draws about 10-15A. Max is 20A at 12V (each unit). About 1/10th of the power is more than sufficient for emergency lights so I need 1/10th of the full load amps available from the battery for at least 90 minutes.

          Is there a good equation for this and what batteries can take this kind of power?

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          • Sunking
            Solar Fanatic
            • Feb 2010
            • 23301

            #6
            You can find lots of 100 amp+ 12 and 24 volt chargers on the surplus Telecom market. But they are all going to be 208/240/277/480 VAC. No such thing at 120 volt
            MSEE, PE

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            • Mike90250
              Moderator
              • May 2009
              • 16020

              #7
              Other choice is an inverter with an integrated charger ?
              Maybe a golf cart or forklift charger ?
              Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
              || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
              || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

              solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
              gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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              • Sunking
                Solar Fanatic
                • Feb 2010
                • 23301

                #8
                Originally posted by lumencache
                I figured multiple AC ckts. See parallel design here: http://www.iotaengineering.com/pplib...l_Charging.pdf
                Just where do you intend to get all these dedicated circuits from. They do not exist in your home or business unless you specifically specified them to be installed at the time of construction. The only ones required by code in new home construction are:

                Refrigerator
                Dishwasher
                2 appliance circuits on kitchen counter tops for micro and toaster oven.
                Dinning Room Buffet
                Washing Machine in laundry room.

                No EC is going to install more than required for a spec house unless it is specified and paid for. If your home is older than say 10 years doubtful you have many if any dedicated 120 volt circuits as they were not required.
                MSEE, PE

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