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  • miahallen
    Solar Fanatic
    • Apr 2014
    • 108

    Midnite Classic 200 won't stop resting

    The troubleshooting guide in the user manual describes my problem perfectly:

    Symptom:
    Classic switches between Resting and Bulk MPPT repeatedly but produces 0 watts.

    Solution:
    Watch the IN voltage and see if it slowly drops to battery voltage (Or Close) when the Classic goes to Bulk MPPT if so this is usually a sign of a High resistance connection (Loose Connection between the Classic and DC source)



    The problem is that my wiring is secure, and I even ran a 2nd connection through the front door of the house temporarily with the same results. I have 2 Classic 200 CCs hooked up, so I have been able to try both and verify that the problem is not in the CC.

    There is an MPV-12 250 installed where I have 6 strings with 4 panels each (Abound Solar AB1-70 70W thin film). All 6 strings are wired into the combiner box and from there I have 10AWG wire running about 30ft (60ft round trip) to the Classic 200 (positive has a 20A breaker inline near the CC). That is 1/2 of the system, I will be hooking up an identical configuration to the 2nd Classic 200 next week. If I shut off all but one string (doesn't matter which string), then I still get the same voltage drop as I do when all strings are active, so I belive that elliminates any potential wiring issues on the roof (string side of the combiner box), which would isolate the "loose connection" to the wiring running from the combiner box to the CC...but I've triple checked it and it seems just fine...so I'm a bit stumped.
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    3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah
  • Mike90250
    Moderator
    • May 2009
    • 16020

    #2
    I also have a classic 200, and from trolling their forums, I believe that a firmware upgrade may solve the problem. Use a earlier version of windows than V8. V8 has a 13 page (or 23 page) sequence to manually install the USB drivers, which does not always work. And the update is SLOWWW. And you update the Display panel first, and then the controller firmware.

    If the controller has really old firmware, you have to do it in several stages, v1 - v2.5 - 3.9 - 4.7 - 6.8 if you go v1 - v6.8 you can brick it !!
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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    • miahallen
      Solar Fanatic
      • Apr 2014
      • 108

      #3
      Thank you Mike...I've been under the assumption that because these were just purchased last month that they would be up to date...but I'll have to check as see how accurate this assumption was/is
      3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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      • Mike90250
        Moderator
        • May 2009
        • 16020

        #4
        Get the classics talking to a computer running the Local App, and see what version software is installed, and check the midnight site for the latest version.
        Local App and firmware are at Midnight




        Local App needs Adobe Air installed on PC or android first
        MidNite Solar is the industry leader and manufacture of quality Renewable Energy System electrical components and E-Panels.
        Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
        || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
        || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

        solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
        gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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        • thastinger
          Solar Fanatic
          • Oct 2012
          • 804

          #5
          did this just start or has it never worked?
          1150W, Midnite Classic 200, Cotek PSW, 8 T-605s

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          • miahallen
            Solar Fanatic
            • Apr 2014
            • 108

            #6
            Brand new installation...it has been doing this since the get-go.
            3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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            • miahallen
              Solar Fanatic
              • Apr 2014
              • 108

              #7
              Flashed the 1933 firmware today, and the firmware update was successful, but the resting problem has not changed...
              I also found the FAQ section at the Midnite forum has a RFR chart and my code is either #1 or #111 (same as before the FW update).
              3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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              • Mike90250
                Moderator
                • May 2009
                • 16020

                #8
                You have to flash BOTH the graphic panel AND the controller. What was the original FW of the controller ?
                Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                • miahallen
                  Solar Fanatic
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 108

                  #9
                  I'm not sure what the original was, and yes...I flashed both parts. How do you check revision?
                  3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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                  • Mike90250
                    Moderator
                    • May 2009
                    • 16020

                    #10
                    to check versions
                    use the Local App STATUS tab, INFO button
                    Attached Files
                    Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                    • miahallen
                      Solar Fanatic
                      • Apr 2014
                      • 108

                      #11
                      I just wanted to add some pictures to assist you all in your understanding of the system...(updated in first post).

                      I have not yet gotten a network setup at the location (still no ac power for switches or hubs right now), and I don't have a crossover cable handy, so I'll have to check the local app later.
                      3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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                      • miahallen
                        Solar Fanatic
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 108

                        #12
                        It is the panels...I hooked up a standard poly panel this morning and it reacted normally. The panels we are using in the system are Abound Solar 70W thin film technology. They were purchased used from GGS for $0.42/W. The panels visually look normal, and the open circuit voltage is normal. How else can we test these panels? They are currently mounted 30ft in the air in custom build frames with 12 panels in each frame...so they are not easily managed.

                        For future reference, check this thread for more:
                        3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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                        • Mike90250
                          Moderator
                          • May 2009
                          • 16020

                          #13
                          You can perform a Short Circuit Test on the panels at the controller.

                          You will need a DC clamp-on Amp-meter
                          You need to have installed circuit breakers in your combiner box.
                          Turn the Combiner breakers OFF Measure DC input at the controller, should be close to the battery voltage of the Midnight controller
                          Turn a Combiner breaker ON, just one. Measure DC input at the controller, should be close to the Voc of the panel.
                          repeat for each breaker/string - measure Just One at a time.
                          Turn the Combiner breakers OFF . Install a jumper wire for you Amp-meter sense Loop at the controller from PV + to PV - This is your short circuit test. Clip the ampmeter on and zero it. Then one at a time, turn a breaker ON and record the amps. Let it run a couple minutes, and warm the panel up and then switch off and go to the next breaker and repeat. Breakers all OFF and remove the Jumper Wire. You should now have a record of each strings' voltage and amps.
                          If your voltage was over 200V, your Classic 200 may have gone into HyperVOC and will not operate until PV voltage reduces below 200V. With 70V panels, you can only have 2 in series.
                          Powerfab top of pole PV mount (2) | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
                          || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
                          || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

                          solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
                          gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister

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                          • miahallen
                            Solar Fanatic
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 108

                            #14
                            This morning, I ran short circuit tests on each of the 12 strings. None of them performed as expected. There was scattered clouds while I was testing, and when the sun was obscured…some of the strings would output about 0.8A as expected, when the clouds moved away, the amperage would increase to about 2.3A as rated…but then the amperage would suddenly drop to 0. I witnessed this on 7 of 12 strings, the other 5 strings never revealed any output.
                            3680W - FLEXmax 80 - FX3048T - 8x L16P-AC 435Ah

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