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    We have about 30 Vacuum Tube Integral Collector Storage Water Heaters that were built by Dixie Solar (dixiesolar.com) that we want to sell cheap. Where would you guys suggest I try to let people know about these?

    Thanks,
    Richard

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    Craig List - ebay - we do not allow individuals to advertise.
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    • #3
      Can I pay to advertise?

      Originally posted by russ View Post
      Craig List - ebay - we do not allow individuals to advertise.
      Can I pay to advertise on your site? This stuff came from a business that has shut down.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rcr1006 View Post
        Can I pay to advertise on your site? This stuff came from a business that has shut down.
        Hi Richard - you would need to contact Jason - just type in the name Jason on a message and that is him. The moderators have nothing to do with the advertising.

        RUss
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        • #5
          Originally posted by russ View Post
          Craig List - ebay - we do not allow individuals to advertise.
          I guess that doesn't include Naptown huh ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by J.P.M. View Post
            I guess that doesn't include Naptown huh ?
            Is that any of your business? Naptown has put in a few thousand hours on the site and wasn't advertising anyway I believe - he was providing reference costs that he is positive of.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by russ View Post
              Is that any of your business? Naptown has put in a few thousand hours on the site and wasn't advertising anyway I believe - he was providing reference costs that he is positive of.
              Apparently not. Consider it just asking for a clarification. I'd guess other vendors could provide cost references they may be just as positive about and we'd all learn a bit more about current pricing. Just seems inconsistent is all. No disrespect intended.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by J.P.M. View Post
                Apparently not. Consider it just asking for a clarification. I'd guess other vendors could provide cost references they may be just as positive about and we'd all learn a bit more about current pricing. Just seems inconsistent is all. No disrespect intended.
                everyone on here is comparing pricing from one vendor to another.
                Would it make you happy if I deleted the seemingly offensive posts?
                Happy to do so if that is what you wish!
                I offered pricing from a local perspective.
                If this seems tawdry to you perhaps we should not allow any pricing threads of posts to occur.
                I also moderate this forum. This is a volunteer unpaid position that takes an inordinate amount of time as I read virtually every single post deleting the spam and correcting the mis-information that the newbies seem to post.
                Are you willing to spend the time to volunteer to do this? It takes about 4 hours a day.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Naptown View Post
                  everyone on here is comparing pricing from one vendor to another.
                  Would it make you happy if I deleted the seemingly offensive posts?
                  Happy to do so if that is what you wish!
                  I offered pricing from a local perspective.
                  If this seems tawdry to you perhaps we should not allow any pricing threads of posts to occur.
                  I also moderate this forum. This is a volunteer unpaid position that takes an inordinate amount of time as I read virtually every single post deleting the spam and correcting the mis-information that the newbies seem to post.
                  Are you willing to spend the time to volunteer to do this? It takes about 4 hours a day.
                  I intended to let sleeping dogs lie, but since you asked:

                  1.) I respect and believe I understand your position and situation. It' a thankless job. I've been there. I get it.

                  2.) I also understand you have a business to run.

                  3.) Many folks on this forum, not everyone to use your word to be perhaps more correct about it BTW, is comparing pricing. My observation is that most posters talk about price without identifying the vendor, and when they do, one of the moderators almost always clips the reference. That no advertising or soliciting by simple posters is allowed is also quite clear from the Forum rules. I witnessed early on how some posters were admonished to not use vendors names. I believe that allowing pricing and identifying vendors where such pricing originates would result in the most benefit for the most people, but I'm aware of the problems both legal and practical that such a policy can generate. And, I follow the rules.

                  4.) Most posters know you are also a vendor as well as a moderator.

                  5.) Sometimes perception is everything even when it may not reflect reality too well. On one hand, the moderators (you included) very or most often rip posters a new one and take necessary action(s) to eliminate mentioning a vendor by name, as is required if you are to enforce the forum rules. You're all pretty strack about that. Then, you turn around and take what may very well be perceived as the very action you disallow from other posters - as in, to paraphrase - ' I can give you the same thing or better for less.' Look at it from the other side: You've Identified yourself as a poster with something to sell in this case, most everyone knows you to be a moderator, you've given a price, and you have solicited business. I'd suggest that may be perceived by some as a moderator doing what he's charged with preventing others from doing. I think that may seem inconsistent and unfair. To me, it feels and looks like the fox guarding the hen house had chicken for dinner.

                  6.) You said you had contact with the poster before he joined. Why then, assuming you had contact information, would you post information meant for your customer on this forum, and not just send an e-mail or phone or other private means in a manner that would not run the risk of looking cavalier about forum rules and regular procedures and risking the perception of unfairness ? To be perhaps as blunt as I've seen moderators be : What were you thinking ?

                  7.) If another vendor in your area had posted the same information as you did, to the same poster, and identified themselves to the same degree that you somewhat automatically enjoy as a moderator, would that post have been allowed to be seen ? Or, what if another vendor in your area now sees your post, just happens to belong to this forum and decides to do what you did. Will that post be allowed ? If not, how will that be perceived ? If allowed, what might some of the possible consequences be ? If my memory serves, I think I remember more than one or two examples where something similar occurred. You were not involved as I recall, but the vendor got the bum's rush. You're a vendor and you got away with it. As far as offering what sounds like a defense in that you are offering pricing from a local perspective, most any local vendor can do the same. That's a specious argument. If they did do that with identifying information, they'd be cut off - as by policy, rules and precedent they should be.

                  8.) Tawdry is your word, not mine. I would not use the word tawdry. What you did was not cheap, ugly or immoral as I understand some of the synonyms to be. I might instead use the words ill considered, hasty or not well thought out as perhaps more appropriate. Also, I never stated your post (singular) was offensive - to me at least. I'm also somewhat disappointed with what I consider your less than professional, snide offer to make me happy by deleting what you (not I) call seemingly offensive posts.

                  9.) As I stated in 3 above, pricing with vendors names would be beneficial to consumers but probably not workable.

                  10.) I understand you have an unpaid position as a moderator. Most of us do understand that. I bet all who do are grateful that you and the other moderators do as well as you do, break you butts and swallow pretty hard more often than you'd like and probably a lot more than most of us know. Two things come to mind here, and please do not take this as ungratefulness: - I bet no one has a weapon pointed at your head making you continue the position, and you need not remind me of the obvious.

                  11.) I have no intention of more volunteering for anything. I'm retired. Besides, I've got my hands full with an unpaid position with my HOA trying to keep the rest of the Board of Dir. from thinking of new impediments for solar, while trying to educate neighbors in my HOA about how solar energy is great stuff, but only as one of the tools to lowering an energy bill. You have the luxury of a computer screen between you and the great unwashed masses. I get the people honking as they go by, answering the same questions, saying no or maybe to some real dumb crap the vendors try and sometimes do get away with, and the 3 A.M. bitchy phone calls. But I'm not complaining. Maybe (probably) like you, I do it as something of a labor of love for something I have been at or close to 40 years - sensible energy use.

                  12.) As you may have noticed, I'm also busy several hrs./day ranting on this forum. I believe I have something to contribute and I try to do it in a respectful, informative manner, maybe with some attempts at humor on occasion. I believe this forum is a valuable asset to the solar energy community and if I contribute, I try to raise the level of sophistication where I think it will help, or where I think I have something of value to contribute. That includes calling a spade a spade where I see something I believe to be incorrect or wrong, or maybe harmful. To that end, I'm of the opinion your post about pricing was not in the best interests of this forum, its posters and followers, and thus solar energy in general. That says nothing about my respect for you, your opinions, input or the toil, blood and treasure you and the other moderators expend. I could not hope to do as well.

                  Respectfully,

                  J.P.M.

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                  • #10
                    Ok
                    Lets start with a little forum etiquette
                    posts as dense as above are probably not going to get read. some white space is appreciated.

                    Now I leave installers and talk about installers and pricing alone. I really don't personally care and I only cover a tiny bit of the world. I do however offer one of the best values in my area.
                    If you come here with a link to a site that competes with the retail business of the people who keep the lights on here without paying for it those posts get immediately deleted.
                    NABCEP certified Technical Sales Professional

                    [URL="http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showthread.php?5334-Solar-Off-Grid-Battery-Design"]http://www.solarpaneltalk.com/showth...Battery-Design[/URL]

                    [URL]http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html[/URL] (Voltage drop Calculator among others)

                    [URL="http://www.gaisma.com"]www.gaisma.com[/URL]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by naptown View Post
                      ok
                      lets start with a little forum etiquette
                      posts as dense as above are probably not going to get read. Some white space is appreciated.

                      Now i leave installers and talk about installers and pricing alone. I really don't personally care and i only cover a tiny bit of the world. I do however offer one of the best values in my area.
                      If you come here with a link to a site that competes with the retail business of the people who keep the lights on here without paying for it those posts get immediately deleted.
                      r.u.a. (Read, Understood, Acknowledged)

                      J.P.M.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by J.P.M. View Post
                        r.u.a. (Read, Understood, Acknowledged)

                        J.P.M.
                        Also, accept life as it is - stop trying to force everyone down your path.
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